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12:41 Sun Sep 8
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Hoddle was a good playmaker. Before him would have been Brooking. And then we need to go back to Bobby Charlton, he was unquestionably world class.
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SUM A DING WONG
12:29 Sun Sep 8
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Lily, thats fair enough.
But, if you had gone along tbe lines of "at least Bishop could pass a ball really well' that would have been appropriate.
I would have loved Bishop to have been good enough to play for England.
Ine th
One thing for sure, had he been good enough, he never would have played for us for as long.
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tnb
12:28 Sun Sep 8
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As good as Pirlo and Silva? Probably not. But he would be appreciated by the same people who now get all excited about those players in a way he wasn't at the time. And yes, whatever other qualities he may have lacked, he passed the ball as well and had a comparable level of vision. So bloody there.
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SUM A DING WONG
12:23 Sun Sep 8
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Bill W,
Not aiming it at you mate. And you make fair points.
Read some of the other comments.
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Lily Hammer
12:22 Sun Sep 8
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I merely mentioned England’s lack of a decent playmaker who knows how to pick a good pass to open up defenses. I mentioned first De Bruyne, who currently does this well, and then tried to think of similar players we’ve had who had that ability. Sadly, only Brooking and Bishop sprang to mind.
Point was, Barkley doesn’t have that ability. Maybe Madison does.
They’re a rare breed, classy playmakers.
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Bill W
12:15 Sun Sep 8
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SUM A DING WONG 11:59 Sat Sep 7
Not comparing him to Silva et al. However, he was technically far superior to say, off the top of my head, Carlton Palmer at England level and a load of other supposed "top" players to use a Sounessism back in the day when clattering someone was more appreciated than the ability to trap a ball properly and be able to pass a ball using either foot. Bishop would flourish in the modern game where skill and finesse rules over brute force. I'd have him over Wilshere all day long. And he took no shit from Roy Keane. Yeah, he played in Div 2 for us, so did Ludo, Julian, Bonds, Brooking...but he spent more time playing in the top flight
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SUM A DING WONG
12:07 Sun Sep 8
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Bishop would have been the same level as Noble.
Aré people saying Noble is as good as De Bruyne, Pirlo and Silva?
I hope this is a wind up.
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SUM A DING WONG
11:59 Sat Sep 7
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Bishop was a good servant to us . Was excellent in the 2nd division and steady in the Prem. Could pass well. But was also part of squads that regularily fought relegation.
And he was as good as Pirlo and Silva?
Fucking hell you've all been on the sauce.
So we're comparing Ian Bishop, a player who never won a trophy, never played in europe and never represented his country to De Bruyne, Pirlo and Silva.
Ive heard it all now.
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Any Old Iron
11:59 Sat Sep 7
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I fell asleep on 10 minutes and woke up bang on half-time. Did I miss anything?
I note that some kid who's done fuck all with the rent boys got a kick. Fucking ludicrous.
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JLAP
11:44 Sat Sep 7
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Ian BISH Bishop was a quality footballer and remarkably he still has the same haircut when he graced the turf in claret and blue.
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tnb
11:44 Sat Sep 7
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I'm with Bill. Bishop was a beautiful footballer, these days he'd be called a 'technical' midfielder. Back in the day in a 4-4-2 what he lacked in pace and defensive nous was at times exposed, but in a modern system which almost always uses three in central midfield or alternatively two deeper lying midfielders with an acceptance that one handles the majority of defensive work he would, no exaggeration, be mentioned in the same conversations as the likes of Pirlo or David Silva. In 25 years of watching West Ham regularly only Carrick has come close as a passer of a football, and even he was a way behind. I love Lanzini, but Bishop even now would have a thing or two to teach him.
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Bill W
11:21 Sat Sep 7
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Lily Hammer 8:42 Sat Sep 7
I don't care who cunts you off. Bish was different class. No,he wasn't Brooking but he was a fucking brilliant footballer who was overlooked during the age of lumpers. He'd walk into our side now
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On The Ball
10:53 Sat Sep 7
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El Scorchio 8:13 Sat Sep 7
To be fair, he was in the squad last season while with Derby.
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zico
9:58 Sat Sep 7
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I fell asleep. Modern day football or just getting old I don't know but qualifiers in all competitions are a dull as dishwater these days.
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geoffpikey
9:49 Sat Sep 7
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Didn't watch in the end.
Jordan Henderson has more England caps than Sir Trevor Brooking.
That's a Fomb, right there.
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Vexed
9:45 Sat Sep 7
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Looked well out of his depth first half, I assume he improved in the second for all this wanking?
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SUM A DING WONG
9:41 Sat Sep 7
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Come on now, Lily - get those rose tinted glasses off.
You can't mention Bishop in the same breath as Brooking and De Brunye.
Not saying Bishop was shit, but he wasn't international/Champions League class.
Let's put it down to it being Saturday and you having a few beers, eh.
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Barty
9:37 Sat Sep 7
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oh fuck off
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Dr Matt
9:23 Sat Sep 7
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Sell on and replace with Connor Coventry.
Roll on.
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Barty
9:18 Sat Sep 7
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"Every game adds two to three million to his price tag"
So you have just accepted he goes?
If West Ham improves he stays for a long time
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Dr Matt
9:13 Sat Sep 7
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Rice will improve playing with better players.
Luckily England are very strong too so he is not really used in his role so he’s never going to have horror games.
Every game adds two to three million to his price tag.
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